Una duda habrá traducción al español es que es difícil entender todo lo que hablan si es que no sabes mucho del englihs, por lo que al final terminas dependiendo mucho de los traductores pero quitando eso de lado es un juego muy bueno, con una historia que está siendo 10/10 como también sus escenas claro, tier S ante todo al creador
Gracias por las amables palabras. caribdis trabaja muy duro en el juego. Si bien no hay traducciones oficiales a otros idiomas, alentamos a la comunidad a que haga traducciones, por lo que si alguien que sabe cómo hacerlo quiere hacer una traducción al español, será bienvenido.
Wazzzaaa Caribdis, I got sum u might be interested in, if not no problem, it's a music track, can be used for either idle scenarios or sexual, honestly dont give a fuck, but I would like to know if there was a way to contact u privately, and no this isnt no stupid ass prank, i just like Eternum and went fuck it, ill make a track for it or attempt. i preciate it.
Is there a trick to transfering saves on android? I downloaded the new 0.5 version but when i launch it i have no save data, its all still on my other app.
when it comes to non Japanese visual novels I had Dr.Pink cake as S tier and really hadn't found anything on that level/ I stumbled on Eternum randomly and was pleasantly surprised the writing is great and the comedy is also on point. I think this really gives strong competition to games like "Being a DIK" wishing you luck on your story i'll be supporting it! S Tier for VN for sure
I wasn't expecting much improvement from "Once in a Lifetime" to this. But you greatly proofed me wrong. I hope there will be more naughties till the final end product but not less story. Even the scary elements of certain story parts are really well done. And the humor. I can't even understand why it so much fun for me and never once a joke than made me cringe.
If it will ever end don't hesitate to make another, and by that I would certain be a patron.
Hello Caribdis I want to tell you that I like your game very much and I hope you do well in life, you have the potential to create games, do not doubt it.
Thanks, but a doubt about the discord exactly the discord is Eternium or Eternum and I see that there is no content of the game in the discord.
similarities in characters are due to the program used to make them, Honey Select 2, which is a game itself with a character creation element. Also I wouldnt say that for instance Nova and for example Dalia or Penny look anything alike. Penny Dalia and Nancy are purposefully with some similarities as they family. but there are only so many morphs and changes you can make on the models before they start looking unnatural.
glad you're enjoying the games, only going up from here.
Eternum is a huge improvement over OIALT in this regard. The latter was very much anime-ish in terms of looks (not that I disliked it), but Eternum went a step further and made the girls look more life-like than ever.
Fun fact: it took me three playthroughs of OIALT to realize that Lauren and Judy just had different hair. :D
This game started for me as a way to have some fun when I was down, but turned out to be kind of journey to myself. I discovered that many of my struggles and insecurities are, well, common. And I liked the approach to them expressed through the protagonist. He didn't think that having insecurities is something stupid or insignificant, but he just was there for people dear to him. Seeing how the main characters care of each other was heartwarming, some of the stories were funny and others were quite touching. And, well, I liked the protagonist. I realized that he is the person I want to be like. Not because he is "cool" or "strong", but because he cares about people around and respects them. He can stand up for what is dear to him. He is bold, but not pushy, and respects other people's boundaries. And girls for him are not just bodies or sets of useful qualities, but personalities.
Overall, this game has helped me to care and appreciate people around me. And to be more attentive to people's feelings. And motivated to exercise :-) And, hey, it was a lot of fun!
I very much enjoyed playing Eternum) Thanks a lot!
BTW, is there some sort of mechanism during installation that checks the apk file if it was unchanged compared to the source? I'm slightly paranoid about network problems which would result in a problematic file (not enough to corrupt file immediately) which suddenly occurs while I'm halfway through the game
Caribdis, the eternum 0.4.1 apk I downloaded can't be installed due to parsing error. Yet I don't see any complaints. If anyone has met this problem before, please help me
Game is absolutely awesome and the graphicsare stunning, no doubt the best game of this kind I've played.
I still have a question tho. So I saw there is a lot of scenes for the diffrent characters but I only unlocked like 3 so my question is did I do something wrong or do some choices that lead to specific scenes just cancel others or is it just in the next release, looking forward to answers🙂.
You can unlock all scenes in one playthrough (at least until 0.5). For the main girls you must not have them greyed out (by making a wrong choice etc) otherwise you can't enter their romantic paths anymore.
I think the one that's easily missed out is when you first log in to Eternum and Annie is away, you can choose to hang around to unlock a scene. The rest are all pretty obvious when they come.
there is a walkthrough in the download links that will show you all the optimal path choices. this will lead you to all scenes, maximize your money for later uses and progress toward the full harem/best ending. It is a very spoiler free style walkthrough.
This game is just perfect. I’m never ever play a game such good as this. Animation and visual in a level above all other VN. Story is good and more over LONG enough to actually enjoy it. Girls are really beautiful, but they all are conquered the same way – be nice with them, then they give you a blowjob. It’s actualy really sad. All girls appears on the start of the game and then no other. I’m dont say it’s a minus, but adding new girls later be really appreciated. It’s just feels like all other girls worse, coz they simple not in the list.
I’m understand that VN storyrich and you don’t have so many space to add many different paths, but in this game you have only 5 type of answers. 1. Good answer (only one that give you something). 2. Bad answer (not evil but WRONG). 3. REALY bad answer (the same as the previous). 4. Question. 5. I’m out of here (don’t wanna go, no, not interested (you never sellect it coz it’s too dumb and mood killer)). Most of the choices are between 1,2 or 1,3 or 1,5 or 1,2,3 or 1,2,5. Most of the time (EVERYTIME) you select 1-st type coz, WHY THE HELL YOU WANNA RUIN THE MOOD? They don’t give you anything, they are just WRONG and nothing more. You will never see a choices between 1 and 1 or 2 and 3, there is ALLWAYS ONE and only ONE positive outcome (you can get out of anything). Very positive game, you can’t fuck up until you really want it (But why? I’m not some masochistic japanese). Really need some variation, like in the Alien episode (logs integration can be better), but this one is exception from other (IDK why, it’s feels like completely different style of writing).
Results: Good and long positive storyrich VN, with many choices that not alter story itself, but give you some control over situation. Very high quality in every aspect, but have lack of consequences in your choices. Humor and memes are actually good, there is not so many of them (just enough to not overdo it), but they all hit the spot. Author have really good taste in culture, film and game, you prob don’t find anything strange, unknown or something you simple don’t like in integrations. Realy great job. I really enjoyed playing this game.
P.S. Sorry for my ENG. Special thanks for Николай из Екатеринбурга. I'm laugh really hard from that one, live near Ekaterinburg myself.
Found out about the game when I finished Once in a lifetime. The premise of the game is actually really cool, kinda gives me a little Swort Art Online vibes, if Swort Art Online was good. This whole VR Gaming schtick is a lot cooler than the good ol' reliable "reincarnation theme" a lot of creators go with, it's just a lot harder to do, because duh, 2 different worlds. Up until now, the game seems very thought through, your animations and art have obviously evolved a lot since Once in a Lifetime and I'm hooked on the game for sure. I just hope that this serious tone that the game ended with kinda maybe settles down for a bit so some more comedy can return! I literally burst out laughing when Micaela was a Dark Souls Boss when we first met her. Thanks for making this game!
Heyy Caribdis. I just want to say thank you for keep making games. I did try many games from others dev and your games is one of my fav. I just finished playing "Once in a lifetime" and I really enjoy that game. And I did see you saying you're now doing this game, so I do want to try it out and hoping it will be better. But, for most of all, I just wanna say, keep doing those games you love, and whatever you do, I (or we) just wanna say thank you for making great games always.
First off, this game is a masterpiece! Thanks a lot Caribdis!
Since I really like this game, I want to support you as much as I can. So, here is my way of supporting you: I get the following error message when I click any of the girls pictures after clicking the heart icon in the top-right corner. I'm playing on Android.
[code]
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.
While running game code:
File "renpy/common/00gamemenu.rpy", line 173, in <module>
File "game/bios.rpy", line 47, in execute
File "game/bios.rpy", line 47, in execute
File "game/bios.rpy", line 60, in execute
File "game/bios.rpy", line 60, in keywords
NameError: name 'BrightnessMatrix' is not defined
-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------
Full traceback:
File "00gamemenu.rpyc", line 173, in script
File "renpy/ast.py", line 914, in execute
File "renpy/python.py", line 2028, in py_exec_bytecode
File "renpy/common/00gamemenu.rpy", line 173, in <module>
File "renpy/ui.py", line 297, in interact
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 2702, in interact
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3094, in interact_core
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 541, in visit_all
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 541, in visit_all
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 541, in visit_all
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 541, in visit_all
File "renpy/display/screen.py", line 430, in visit_all
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3094, in <lambda>
File "renpy/display/screen.py", line 440, in per_interact
File "renpy/display/screen.py", line 625, in update
File "game/bios.rpy", line 47, in execute
File "game/bios.rpy", line 47, in execute
File "game/bios.rpy", line 60, in execute
File "game/bios.rpy", line 60, in keywords
File "<screen language>", line 62, in <module>
NameError: name 'BrightnessMatrix' is not defined
[/code]
Once again, thanks a lot for such an amazing game!
Love the game! Just wanted to know, but do you get the rights to the music you use, or do you just wing it and hope no one tries to strike you down for it? Just asking as a fellow VN dev. Thanks!
Be on Dalia's path and ask for something spicy for winning the bet when being in prison on ancient Rome server. And ofc support her on the powerlifting competition and go find her after.
make sure dalia isnt grayed out in your gallery screen. if she is, or if she grays after asking for the spicy request on semper invicta you've made too many wrong choices prior to that.
the walkthrough in the download links will show you all correct choices and keep you on the optimal path for all girls, the harem, best ending and money management.
First of all, I need to apologize to the developer, I like this game very much and support the developer for the development of this game, and I am very willing to give the developer appropriate sponsorship, but due to the particularity of my region, I can't find the right payment method in Subscribester, so I can only choose to download this game for free, I am sorry for my behavior. I have the following opinions about this game: 1. I really hope that the developers can upload this game to Steam, so that I can buy this game with pleasure. 2. Developers can develop multiple languages (e.g. Chinese Simplified) appropriately. Finally, once again I love this game.
I think it's because the game's made with Honey Select 2 and Illusion doesn't particularly allow people to use the contents commercially.
I don't think Illusion has ever filed a case (in fact I don't even think they explicitly state anywhere that they don't allow it) but the possiblity alone will make steam reject any VNs that are made with Illusion games.
I found this game from playing Once in a lifetime it's a wonderful game. I like this game too but there one problem that I have is to join your discord and all the link is dead when will the link come back again?
let me ask something, if we died in the spaceship on the date with annie, how do we still have the gem of doom to go to the rockefeller dinner? aren't supposed to lose it?
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Una duda habrá traducción al español es que es difícil entender todo lo que hablan si es que no sabes mucho del englihs, por lo que al final terminas dependiendo mucho de los traductores pero quitando eso de lado es un juego muy bueno, con una historia que está siendo 10/10 como también sus escenas claro, tier S ante todo al creador
Caribdis, More penelope content i love it❤️👉🏻👈🏻🤤
Wazzzaaa Caribdis, I got sum u might be interested in, if not no problem, it's a music track, can be used for either idle scenarios or sexual, honestly dont give a fuck, but I would like to know if there was a way to contact u privately, and no this isnt no stupid ass prank, i just like Eternum and went fuck it, ill make a track for it or attempt. i preciate it.
🤡🤡🤡
why I can't join your discord?
It is patreon and subscribestar only during chapter release periods. It will open back up after the public release.
Is there a trick to transfering saves on android? I downloaded the new 0.5 version but when i launch it i have no save data, its all still on my other app.
when it comes to non Japanese visual novels I had Dr.Pink cake as S tier and really hadn't found anything on that level/
I stumbled on Eternum randomly and was pleasantly surprised the writing is great and the comedy is also on point. I think this really gives strong competition to games like "Being a DIK"
wishing you luck on your story i'll be supporting it!
S Tier for VN for sure
Thank you very much!!
Absolutely. I believe Eternum will stand with BAD as one of the pillars of the genre.
2 weeks! 😃
I wasn't expecting much improvement from "Once in a Lifetime" to this. But you greatly proofed me wrong. I hope there will be more naughties till the final end product but not less story. Even the scary elements of certain story parts are really well done. And the humor. I can't even understand why it so much fun for me and never once a joke than made me cringe.
If it will ever end don't hesitate to make another, and by that I would certain be a patron.
Thank you, glad you liked it!
Is there any femdom elements in this game?
no
I will try my best :D
Thank you so much!
Hello Caribdis I want to tell you that I like your game very much and I hope you do well in life, you have the potential to create games, do not doubt it.
Thanks, but a doubt about the discord exactly the discord is Eternium or Eternum and I see that there is no content of the game in the discord.
Thanks!
The discord is closed to non-patrons until public release, sorry about it
iOS ?
would you ever consider using different female character models in future projects ??
I love your games.
not that I mind but sometime it gets annoying that every girl looks the same
similarities in characters are due to the program used to make them, Honey Select 2, which is a game itself with a character creation element. Also I wouldnt say that for instance Nova and for example Dalia or Penny look anything alike. Penny Dalia and Nancy are purposefully with some similarities as they family. but there are only so many morphs and changes you can make on the models before they start looking unnatural.
glad you're enjoying the games, only going up from here.
Eternum is a huge improvement over OIALT in this regard. The latter was very much anime-ish in terms of looks (not that I disliked it), but Eternum went a step further and made the girls look more life-like than ever.
Fun fact: it took me three playthroughs of OIALT to realize that Lauren and Judy just had different hair. :D
Thank you very much!
This game started for me as a way to have some fun when I was down, but turned out to be kind of journey to myself. I discovered that many of my struggles and insecurities are, well, common. And I liked the approach to them expressed through the protagonist. He didn't think that having insecurities is something stupid or insignificant, but he just was there for people dear to him. Seeing how the main characters care of each other was heartwarming, some of the stories were funny and others were quite touching. And, well, I liked the protagonist. I realized that he is the person I want to be like. Not because he is "cool" or "strong", but because he cares about people around and respects them. He can stand up for what is dear to him. He is bold, but not pushy, and respects other people's boundaries. And girls for him are not just bodies or sets of useful qualities, but personalities.
Overall, this game has helped me to care and appreciate people around me. And to be more attentive to people's feelings. And motivated to exercise :-) And, hey, it was a lot of fun!
I very much enjoyed playing Eternum) Thanks a lot!
I was really happy to read your comment, Hec, glad my work help you in that sense!
Thank you very much!
Caribdis when is the 0.5 version of eternum going to be released on porngameshub
Never, hopefully
That site is not official and it can't even run the animations
Does anyone know what Caribdis uses to make this? Also love the game ! I would support it if I was not broke.
I believe it's Honey Select.
Do you know what they used to make the backgrounds?
This one is made with Honey Select 2.
Once in a lifetime was made with Honey Select 1
BTW, is there some sort of mechanism during installation that checks the apk file if it was unchanged compared to the source? I'm slightly paranoid about network problems which would result in a problematic file (not enough to corrupt file immediately) which suddenly occurs while I'm halfway through the game
Caribdis, the eternum 0.4.1 apk I downloaded can't be installed due to parsing error. Yet I don't see any complaints. If anyone has met this problem before, please help me
OK, problem solved when I downloaded from brave mobile (switching from ddg and mitch).
Hell Yeah! 0.5 released!
Still I am waiting for public release..cuz I'm fking poor. (-_-)
It wont be long, only a couple of weeks now. The wait will be worth it, it's stellar
too much CFNM! (why is there no CMNF?)
Do you intend to put the game on steam? including once in the lifetime and etermum
Unfortunately I can't because of licensing stuff, so I have to rely on Patreon and SubscribeStar.
Game is absolutely awesome and the graphicsare stunning, no doubt the best game of this kind I've played.
I still have a question tho. So I saw there is a lot of scenes for the diffrent characters but I only unlocked like 3 so my question is did I do something wrong or do some choices that lead to specific scenes just cancel others or is it just in the next release, looking forward to answers🙂.
You can unlock all scenes in one playthrough (at least until 0.5). For the main girls you must not have them greyed out (by making a wrong choice etc) otherwise you can't enter their romantic paths anymore.
I think the one that's easily missed out is when you first log in to Eternum and Annie is away, you can choose to hang around to unlock a scene. The rest are all pretty obvious when they come.
thanks for the reply, but no one is greyed out so i guess ill just play it again, after all its not that long
Thank you so much!
You can check out the walkthrough to see what wrong choices could have made you miss the girls' paths!
thanks for the advice i definitely will.
there is a walkthrough in the download links that will show you all the optimal path choices. this will lead you to all scenes, maximize your money for later uses and progress toward the full harem/best ending. It is a very spoiler free style walkthrough.
This game is just perfect. I’m never ever play a game such good as this. Animation and visual in a level above all other VN. Story is good and more over LONG enough to actually enjoy it. Girls are really beautiful, but they all are conquered the same way – be nice with them, then they give you a blowjob. It’s actualy really sad. All girls appears on the start of the game and then no other. I’m dont say it’s a minus, but adding new girls later be really appreciated. It’s just feels like all other girls worse, coz they simple not in the list.
I’m understand that VN storyrich and you don’t have so many space to add many different paths, but in this game you have only 5 type of answers. 1. Good answer (only one that give you something). 2. Bad answer (not evil but WRONG). 3. REALY bad answer (the same as the previous). 4. Question. 5. I’m out of here (don’t wanna go, no, not interested (you never sellect it coz it’s too dumb and mood killer)). Most of the choices are between 1,2 or 1,3 or 1,5 or 1,2,3 or 1,2,5. Most of the time (EVERYTIME) you select 1-st type coz, WHY THE HELL YOU WANNA RUIN THE MOOD? They don’t give you anything, they are just WRONG and nothing more. You will never see a choices between 1 and 1 or 2 and 3, there is ALLWAYS ONE and only ONE positive outcome (you can get out of anything). Very positive game, you can’t fuck up until you really want it (But why? I’m not some masochistic japanese). Really need some variation, like in the Alien episode (logs integration can be better), but this one is exception from other (IDK why, it’s feels like completely different style of writing).
Results: Good and long positive storyrich VN, with many choices that not alter story itself, but give you some control over situation. Very high quality in every aspect, but have lack of consequences in your choices. Humor and memes are actually good, there is not so many of them (just enough to not overdo it), but they all hit the spot. Author have really good taste in culture, film and game, you prob don’t find anything strange, unknown or something you simple don’t like in integrations. Realy great job. I really enjoyed playing this game.
P.S. Sorry for my ENG. Special thanks for Николай из Екатеринбурга. I'm laugh really hard from that one, live near Ekaterinburg myself.
0.5 Update!! WHOOOOOOO YEAHHH BABYY, THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR, THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUTT!!
Gonna wait for the Public Release tho, cuz I'm hecking poor xD
Found out about the game when I finished Once in a lifetime. The premise of the game is actually really cool, kinda gives me a little Swort Art Online vibes, if Swort Art Online was good. This whole VR Gaming schtick is a lot cooler than the good ol' reliable "reincarnation theme" a lot of creators go with, it's just a lot harder to do, because duh, 2 different worlds. Up until now, the game seems very thought through, your animations and art have obviously evolved a lot since Once in a Lifetime and I'm hooked on the game for sure. I just hope that this serious tone that the game ended with kinda maybe settles down for a bit so some more comedy can return! I literally burst out laughing when Micaela was a Dark Souls Boss when we first met her. Thanks for making this game!
Thank you for playing!
Glad you liked it :D
Heyy Caribdis. I just want to say thank you for keep making games. I did try many games from others dev and your games is one of my fav. I just finished playing "Once in a lifetime" and I really enjoy that game. And I did see you saying you're now doing this game, so I do want to try it out and hoping it will be better. But, for most of all, I just wanna say, keep doing those games you love, and whatever you do, I (or we) just wanna say thank you for making great games always.
Thank you for playing them!!
First off, this game is a masterpiece! Thanks a lot Caribdis!
Since I really like this game, I want to support you as much as I can. So, here is my way of supporting you: I get the following error message when I click any of the girls pictures after clicking the heart icon in the top-right corner. I'm playing on Android.
[code]
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.
While running game code:
File "renpy/common/00gamemenu.rpy", line 173, in <module>
File "game/bios.rpy", line 47, in execute
File "game/bios.rpy", line 47, in execute
File "game/bios.rpy", line 60, in execute
File "game/bios.rpy", line 60, in keywords
NameError: name 'BrightnessMatrix' is not defined
-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------
Full traceback:
File "00gamemenu.rpyc", line 173, in script
File "renpy/ast.py", line 914, in execute
File "renpy/python.py", line 2028, in py_exec_bytecode
File "renpy/common/00gamemenu.rpy", line 173, in <module>
File "renpy/ui.py", line 297, in interact
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 2702, in interact
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3094, in interact_core
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 541, in visit_all
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 541, in visit_all
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 541, in visit_all
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 541, in visit_all
File "renpy/display/screen.py", line 430, in visit_all
File "renpy/display/core.py", line 3094, in <lambda>
File "renpy/display/screen.py", line 440, in per_interact
File "renpy/display/screen.py", line 625, in update
File "game/bios.rpy", line 47, in execute
File "game/bios.rpy", line 47, in execute
File "game/bios.rpy", line 60, in execute
File "game/bios.rpy", line 60, in keywords
File "<screen language>", line 62, in <module>
NameError: name 'BrightnessMatrix' is not defined
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Once again, thanks a lot for such an amazing game!
Thanks!
And yeah, I'm aware of it, it should be fixed next update
Love the game! Just wanted to know, but do you get the rights to the music you use, or do you just wing it and hope no one tries to strike you down for it? Just asking as a fellow VN dev. Thanks!
I do own permissions, although most of them are simply copyright free
Hello can i get discord link? Thank you.
It's closed to non-patrons until the game is publicly released, sorry about it!
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do you know when you will release it for public use? I dont have the money to spend on these game
Caribdis , How do unlock the still waters scene?
Be on Dalia's path and ask for something spicy for winning the bet when being in prison on ancient Rome server. And ofc support her on the powerlifting competition and go find her after.
make sure dalia isnt grayed out in your gallery screen. if she is, or if she grays after asking for the spicy request on semper invicta you've made too many wrong choices prior to that.
the walkthrough in the download links will show you all correct choices and keep you on the optimal path for all girls, the harem, best ending and money management.
First of all, I need to apologize to the developer, I like this game very much and support the developer for the development of this game, and I am very willing to give the developer appropriate sponsorship, but due to the particularity of my region, I can't find the right payment method in Subscribester, so I can only choose to download this game for free, I am sorry for my behavior. I have the following opinions about this game: 1. I really hope that the developers can upload this game to Steam, so that I can buy this game with pleasure. 2. Developers can develop multiple languages (e.g. Chinese Simplified) appropriately. Finally, once again I love this game.
Unfortunately, I can't publish it on Steam (licensing stuff) so I have to rely on Patreon or Subscribestar.
Recommending the game and leaving a positive review also helps! Thanks in any case!
I think it's because the game's made with Honey Select 2 and Illusion doesn't particularly allow people to use the contents commercially.
I don't think Illusion has ever filed a case (in fact I don't even think they explicitly state anywhere that they don't allow it) but the possiblity alone will make steam reject any VNs that are made with Illusion games.
Im new here and this may sound elementary level question.
if I install 0.5, will my save data be automatically ported from 0.4?
Or do I start from scratch?
If you play on PC, yes, all your saves will still be there after downloading the new version
On android they should too, but with Android you never know
Thank you
Thank you!
I found this game from playing Once in a lifetime it's a wonderful game. I like this game too but there one problem that I have is to join your discord and all the link is dead when will the link come back again?
After the public release of Eternum 0.5 :D
This is probably the best H visual novel i have ever played. I hope we can see the next update soon cause that cliffhanger is killin me
Thank you very much!
Will you be making more projects after finishing eternum?
Yes
cant wait to play update 0.5 and then 0.6
let me ask something, if we died in the spaceship on the date with annie, how do we still have the gem of doom to go to the rockefeller dinner? aren't supposed to lose it?
You go back to retrieve, they explain it after
protip, buy annie the pendant at the first of the game, it will save you ;)